Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse

10162014, 07:24 PM
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Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
I am calculating the following integral:
sqrt(4*(sin(t))^2 + (cos(t))^2) 0 < t 2*pi My TI89 calculates 9.68845 in about 25 seconds, but my Prime locks up and requires a hard reset. 

10162014, 07:41 PM
(This post was last modified: 10162014 07:46 PM by Tim Wessman.)
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
Works fine here (hw/emu), so I suspect that has been resolved with later CAS versions. Returns 9.68844822
TW Although I work for the HP calculator group, the views and opinions I post here are my own. 

10162014, 07:59 PM
(This post was last modified: 10162014 08:00 PM by Mark Hardman.)
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
(10162014 07:41 PM)Tim Wessman Wrote: Works fine here (hw/emu), so I suspect that has been resolved with later CAS versions. Returns 9.68844822 I can reproduce the issue. If an approximate result is requested, then the definite integral immediately returns the result. However, if an exact answer is requested, then the current version (6031) of the emulator hangs. Ceci n'est pas une signature. 

10162014, 08:08 PM
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
Checked with the latest version of Xcas:
int(sqrt(4*(sin(t))^2 + (cos(t))^2),t,0,2*pi) returns integrate(sqrt(5/23/2*cos(2*t)),t,0,2*pi) while int(sqrt(4*(sin(t))^2 + (cos(t))^2),t,0.,2*pi) returns 9.68844822055 I'll check tomorrow on the calc. The firmware is a bot old now compared to the latest version of Xcas, many bugs have been fixed in Xcas... 

10172014, 04:16 AM
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
On the physical Prime, if one simplifies the integrand first with simplify(),
then int(sqrt(3*sin(x)^2+1),x,0,pi*2) does at least not hang the calculator (if that is any consolation)   but it doesn't give an exact solution, either, rather an unnecessarily complicated integral of sqrt(3/4*cos(2*x)+i*sin(2*x))+ ... with an info message "searching int of sqrt(...) where x is on the unit circle, using residues . . . sign error vector [<1,1>]". ? 

10172014, 05:07 AM
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
Unchecking EXACT fixes the problem and gives an instant result.
(had a similar problem with hangs when doing an inverse Laplace transform, except there, unchecking EXACT caused the problem) 

10172014, 03:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 10172014 03:32 PM by Helge Gabert.)
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
Well, yes, but the idea (for me) is to obtain an exact solution, if possible . . . if you wanted the approximate solution in the first place, fine, but why not just calculate that in Home?


10202014, 08:10 AM
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
(10172014 03:00 PM)Helge Gabert Wrote: Well, yes, but the idea (for me) is to obtain an exact solution, if possible . . . if you wanted the approximate solution in the first place, fine, but why not just calculate that in Home? I think this is one of those integrals that does not have a closed form solution. Wolfram Alpha gives the exact answer as 4*E(3) where E(x) is the "Complete Elliptic Integral of the Second Kind" which can be defined in terms an integral. wes 

10202014, 02:20 PM
(This post was last modified: 10202014 03:53 PM by Helge Gabert.)
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
Yes, I know that. The prime could give that answer (4E3), provided it knows about elliptic integrals, or an approximate value (after issuing an informational message), but certainly not lock up. However, my main point is, why work in CAS, when all you are after is an approximate solution? Do it in Home (or if you really like to work in CAS, put something like 2.0*pi into the limits in order to force an approximate solution). No CAS flags to change.


10202014, 06:04 PM
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
I don't plan to implement elliptic integrals now. Perhaps in the future, using the arithmeticgeometric mean.


10202014, 09:44 PM
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
Sounds good; thanks for the info!


10212014, 05:07 PM
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RE: Lockup Calculating Arc Length of Ellipse
Hallo all,
Quote:original from parisse: Is the agm also a way to implement the incomplete elliptic integrals? greetings peaceglue 

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